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Today's Topics:
1. Re: The Explanition Has Come (David Swanson)
2. Re: Mac Doppler (Joe)
3. Re: AMSAT Leadership Explanation ... (Clint Bradford)
4. Re: Mac Doppler (Joe)
5. Re: Mac Doppler (Mark L. Hammond)
6. Re: The Explanition Has Come (Michelle Thompson)
7. Re: AMSAT Leadership Explanation ... (Bob Liddy (K8BL))
8. Re: Mac Doppler (Burns Fisher)
9. Re: The Explanition Has Come (David Swanson)
10. Re: AMSAT Leadership Explanation ... (H. Stephen Nipper)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:14:34 -0500
From: David Swanson <dave@?????????????.???>
To: Kevin <wa7fwf@?????.???>
Cc: "<,amsat-bb@?????.???????? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] The Explanition Has Come
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Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should immediately resign their
positions. Their actions are unbecoming of this organization, the
community, and a stain on ham radio.
Dave, KG5CCI.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:26 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Or is it a couple newbies to the board didn't get what they wanted when
> they wanted it and then decided to make a big fuss over it? and AMSAT
> decided maybe some legal guidance was in order? which IMHO probably
> wasn't a bad idea.
>
> I have confidence in the board and that with time this will all be
> worked out.
>
> Kevin WA7FWF #19623
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2020 3:36 PM, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > The email, "AMSAT Leadership Explains 2018-2020 Legal Expenses," which I
> assume all members received, made me think of the words of an oldie song
> that has the words, "I wish that i could be the president, so I could show
> you how your money's spent." In this case, it appears that the money was
> spent to, at the advice of hired layers, keep two duly elected directors
> from assuming their rightful role. So, the legal answer must have been to
> segregate them, into a second class status. Is this really legal, and in
> keeping with the bylaws of AMSAT? Why would the board do this? What are
> they hiding and from whom? I may be just a dumb, retired, Midwestern
> engineer, but even I can see thru this one. Talk about smoke and mirrors.
> > I am going to assume that it was legal for the board to select a new
> president, and that the membership has nothing to do with that. This whole
> situation has the appearance of a game where people have been trying to
> find a way to legally block other people from assuming their duties. Sounds
> like Washington politics to me.
> > Some members have resigned their membership over this. I am here to say
> that I do not condone this form of reaction. In my humble opinion, (and
> some of you know how humble I am) if you are on the birds, you should
> financially support the organization. Exception would be if one couldn't
> afford it, of course.
> > Respectfully,Brad KC9UQR
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:15:42 -0500
From: Joe <nss@???.???>
To: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Mac Doppler
Message-ID: <4e673800-802b-10dd-19a4-6eef6d835559@???.???>
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Nope he wasn't touching anything the Mac Doppler was doing it all? all
by itself.
Joe WB9SBD
On 7/10/2020 6:42 PM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> He must have been tuning while he was looking at an inverting linear
> transponder. That is, the downlink frequency goes up while the downlin
> frequency goes down as you tune across the passband. The doppler
> correction will always be in the same direction.
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:32 PM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> A buddy of mine just installed MacDoppler
>>
>> It seems to work great but he sent me a video that doesn't make sense to
>> me.
>>
>> It is controlling his radio changing freqs as needed to account for
>> Doppler. BUT... I have never seen this before.
>>
>> the 144 band was changing one way in freq and the 440 band the other
>> way. Huh? That doesn't seem right in my head.
>>
>> anyone care to maybe explain whats happening?
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:16:46 -0700
From: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Leadership Explanation ...
Message-ID: <86224682-DB1E-4C42-8BFF-D4834983FAC8@???.???>
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For the good of AMSAT, to ensure our enjoyment of future amateur satellites,
and for the general good of amateur radio:
Thompson and Stoddard need to resign. Now.
Clint Bradford
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:18:59 -0500
From: Joe <nss@???.???>
To: Paul Williamson <paul.kb5mu@?????.???>, AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Mac Doppler
Message-ID: <fdcd82ec-a71e-5a34-cea0-25bd803dc63f@???.???>
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aHHH tHAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME NOW!
jOE wb9sbd
opps cAPLOCK
He is thinking on getting on the birds and asked me to help because I
did do it many many years ago. he just bought a 9700. so is all excited.
Any suggestions to send to him as to what birds to shhot for as well as
antenna systems?
Joe WB9SBD
On 7/10/2020 6:59 PM, Paul Williamson wrote:
> MacDoppler is correct.
>
> Doppler shift changes the effective frequency of a radio signal in
> transit. When the satellite is coming toward you, the frequency of
> both the uplink and downlink signal is increased by Doppler shift. The
> goal of the computerized tuning is to maintain a constant frequency
> *at the satellite*.
>
> So, consider first the uplink (your transmitter), and assume the
> satellite is coming toward you. The computer needs to shift its
> frequency DOWN, so that after Doppler has up-shifted the signal it
> will arrive at the satellite on frequency. Now consider the downlink.
> That is, the satellite?s transmitter (your receiver). That signal is
> where it is, when it leaves the satellite. Then it gets shifted UP by
> Doppler. In order to receive this signal, your receiver will need to
> shift UP to match. Thus your two radios need to shift in opposite
> directions to compensate for Doppler.
>
> Note that this is independent of whether the transponder is inverting
> or not.
>
> For some discussion of why the goal has to be constant frequency at
> the satellite, see my ancient article on The One True Rule for Doppler
> Tuning, presently hosted at https://www.amsat.org/tag/tuning/
>
> 73 -Paul KB5MU
>
>> On Jul 10, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>>
>> ?A buddy of mine just installed MacDoppler
>>
>> It seems to work great but he sent me a video that doesn't make sense
>> to me.
>>
>> It is controlling his radio changing freqs as needed to account for
>> Doppler. ?BUT... I have never seen this before.
>>
>> the 144 band was changing one way in freq and the 440 band the other
>> way. ?Huh? That doesn't seem right in my head.
>>
>> anyone care to maybe explain whats happening?
>>
>> Joe WB9SBD
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:33:24 -0400
From: "Mark L. Hammond" <marklhammond@?????.???>
To: Joe <nss@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Mac Doppler
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Hi Joe, sounds right. In the shack?Downlink Doppler goes down, uplink
Doppler goes up. Think I?m saying that right!
Mark N8MH
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:31 PM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> A buddy of mine just installed MacDoppler
>
> It seems to work great but he sent me a video that doesn't make sense to
> me.
>
> It is controlling his radio changing freqs as needed to account for
> Doppler. BUT... I have never seen this before.
>
> the 144 band was changing one way in freq and the 440 band the other
> way. Huh? That doesn't seem right in my head.
>
> anyone care to maybe explain whats happening?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
--
Mark L. Hammond [N8MH]
AMSAT Director and Command Station
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:45:01 -0700
From: Michelle Thompson <mountain.michelle@?????.???>
To: David Swanson <dave@?????????????.???>
Cc: "<,amsat-bb@?????.???????? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] The Explanition Has Come
Message-ID:
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I'm not sure anyone is going to take you very seriously, since you have
repeatedly and stridently yelped for my resignation, since the day I was
elected, for:
1) Playing Pokemon GO (somehow that's a firing offense... "GO figure")
2) Having a pile of books fall over on my desk (somehow I can't serve as a
Director because I tweeted about having too many books)
3) Pointing out (privately) that sexist language doesn't belong in AMSAT
management.
4) Pointing out (privately) that official social media accounts weren't
doing what they promised to do.
5) Being at Comic-Con.
6) Promoting microwave broadband digital birds.
7) Having the nerve to found a 501(c)(3) dedicated to open source R&D for
amateur radio and beyond.
8) Breathing.
Please notice that I have yet to squall for anyone's resignation. I am
ready and willing to work with anyone. I am ready to defend Clayton despite
the authorship of this very regrettable admission of AMSAT failing to
follow its own bylaws or DC corporate code. I actually liked working with
him. He has permission to share any private messages I've sent him.
I do appreciate the opportunity you have given me to share my report.
https://w5nyv.blogspot.com/2020/07/report-to-members-8-amsat-na-board-of.html
This is the 8th in a series. I ran on transparency, trust, and technology.
I'm an activist.
If you elect an activist, expect activism. Some of what I found is
obviously uncomfortable. The incumbents have reacted in entirely
predictable ways. If the members want comfortable waste firmly ensconced in
the past, then go ahead, re-elect the incumbents.
I've raised real money for AMSAT R&D this year. It adds up to over $65k.
Open Research Institute is an AMSAT Member Society. That means that it's
recognized as an asset to AMSAT, works for AMSAT's interests, and attacking
it is just plain stupid.
I've confronted the board about unauthorized spending. I brought receipts.
Patrick deserves the majority of the credit for stopping this obscenely
wasteful practice of hiring lawyers on the sly.
Fiducial responsibility is really all we as Directors are required to do.
This is basic oversight of an organization. Unlike other things we do, it's
not rocket science.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:26 PM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should immediately resign their
> positions. Their actions are unbecoming of this organization, the
> community, and a stain on ham radio.
>
> Dave, KG5CCI.
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:26 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > Or is it a couple newbies to the board didn't get what they wanted when
> > they wanted it and then decided to make a big fuss over it? and AMSAT
> > decided maybe some legal guidance was in order? which IMHO probably
> > wasn't a bad idea.
> >
> > I have confidence in the board and that with time this will all be
> > worked out.
> >
> > Kevin WA7FWF #19623
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/10/2020 3:36 PM, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> > > The email, "AMSAT Leadership Explains 2018-2020 Legal Expenses," which
> I
> > assume all members received, made me think of the words of an oldie song
> > that has the words, "I wish that i could be the president, so I could
> show
> > you how your money's spent." In this case, it appears that the money was
> > spent to, at the advice of hired layers, keep two duly elected directors
> > from assuming their rightful role. So, the legal answer must have been to
> > segregate them, into a second class status. Is this really legal, and in
> > keeping with the bylaws of AMSAT? Why would the board do this? What are
> > they hiding and from whom? I may be just a dumb, retired, Midwestern
> > engineer, but even I can see thru this one. Talk about smoke and mirrors.
> > > I am going to assume that it was legal for the board to select a new
> > president, and that the membership has nothing to do with that. This
> whole
> > situation has the appearance of a game where people have been trying to
> > find a way to legally block other people from assuming their duties.
> Sounds
> > like Washington politics to me.
> > > Some members have resigned their membership over this. I am here to say
> > that I do not condone this form of reaction. In my humble opinion, (and
> > some of you know how humble I am) if you are on the birds, you should
> > financially support the organization. Exception would be if one couldn't
> > afford it, of course.
> > > Respectfully,Brad KC9UQR
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> > Opinions expressed
> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> > program!
> > > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> > expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> > AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 00:46:56 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Bob Liddy (K8BL)" <k8bl@?????????.???>
To: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Leadership Explanation ...
Message-ID: <2054487604.5733315.1594428416968@????.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
For the good of the AMSAT-BB's transparency that ensures postsare from
actual Amateurs and not Spam....
Clint Bradford's Amateur Call is K6LCS
73,? ? ?Bob? K8BL
On Friday, July 10, 2020, 08:29:38 PM EDT, Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
For the good of AMSAT, to ensure our enjoyment of future amateur
satellites, and for the general good of amateur radio:
Thompson and Stoddard need to resign. Now.
Clint Bradford
_______________________________________________
Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:57:23 -0400
From: Burns Fisher <wb1fj-bb@??????.??>
To: Joe <nss@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>, Paul Williamson <paul.kb5mu@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Mac Doppler
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Oh, duh to me. Thanks Paul. I was not thinking straight. Glad you all
solved it.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 8:34 PM Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> aHHH tHAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE TO ME NOW!
>
> jOE wb9sbd
>
> opps cAPLOCK
>
> He is thinking on getting on the birds and asked me to help because I
> did do it many many years ago. he just bought a 9700. so is all excited.
>
> Any suggestions to send to him as to what birds to shhot for as well as
> antenna systems?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
> On 7/10/2020 6:59 PM, Paul Williamson wrote:
> > MacDoppler is correct.
> >
> > Doppler shift changes the effective frequency of a radio signal in
> > transit. When the satellite is coming toward you, the frequency of
> > both the uplink and downlink signal is increased by Doppler shift. The
> > goal of the computerized tuning is to maintain a constant frequency
> > *at the satellite*.
> >
> > So, consider first the uplink (your transmitter), and assume the
> > satellite is coming toward you. The computer needs to shift its
> > frequency DOWN, so that after Doppler has up-shifted the signal it
> > will arrive at the satellite on frequency. Now consider the downlink.
> > That is, the satellite?s transmitter (your receiver). That signal is
> > where it is, when it leaves the satellite. Then it gets shifted UP by
> > Doppler. In order to receive this signal, your receiver will need to
> > shift UP to match. Thus your two radios need to shift in opposite
> > directions to compensate for Doppler.
> >
> > Note that this is independent of whether the transponder is inverting
> > or not.
> >
> > For some discussion of why the goal has to be constant frequency at
> > the satellite, see my ancient article on The One True Rule for Doppler
> > Tuning, presently hosted at https://www.amsat.org/tag/tuning/
> >
> > 73 -Paul KB5MU
> >
> >> On Jul 10, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Joe via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?A buddy of mine just installed MacDoppler
> >>
> >> It seems to work great but he sent me a video that doesn't make sense
> >> to me.
> >>
> >> It is controlling his radio changing freqs as needed to account for
> >> Doppler. BUT... I have never seen this before.
> >>
> >> the 144 band was changing one way in freq and the 440 band the other
> >> way. Huh? That doesn't seem right in my head.
> >>
> >> anyone care to maybe explain whats happening?
> >>
> >> Joe WB9SBD
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> >> Opinions expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> >> of AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> >> program!
> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:09:43 -0500
From: David Swanson <dave@?????????????.???>
To: "<,amsat-bb@?????.???????? <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] The Explanition Has Come
Message-ID:
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Serious question - are you high, or have you told so many lies you just
can't keep them straight anymore?
Regarding items 2) thru 8) please provide evidence of these supposed acts,
because they never happened. As far as 1) - I don't believe we've ever
discussed it, but I was one of the original Ingress beta testers, which is
far superior to Pokemon Go in every sense. Resistance forever, ADA
Refractors for all. IE, Prove it.
Since you're so fond of links, I'll post a few of my own:
https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/eagle/2008/001222.html
<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/eagle/2008/00122
2.html&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1594515349348000&usg=AFQjCNGZg_LP_sRZQddFuB9Ra
yyljxJ5dQ>
https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/eagle/2008/001218.html
<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.amsat.org/pipermail/eagle/2008/00121
8.html&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1594515349348000&usg=AFQjCNF-29gZeNm4giBJol2kU
wBBgyvxsA>
You've been at this game of gaslighting so long I think you've forgotten
what your goal even is, other than to spew hatred everywhere you turn
against whatever flavor of the week has wronged you. Here's a few more
facts: You stole the old amsat facebook group from this organization by
taking advantage of the fact it wasn't set up correctly in facebook. You
stole non-profit issued slack license keys to this organization and
repurposed them for your new flavor of the week. You have defamed good
people who simply wanted to keep amateur radio in space. And now you've
accused an organization, who is literally responsible for the segment of
the hobby we're a part of, of wrongdoing *AFTER* reading a letter signed by
literally every single member of the leadership and elected board before
you bought the election in 2019 using funds channeled to you by outside
parties.
You are nothing but an anomaly, a note in the history books of AMSAT for
our sons and daughters to laugh at while they're holding their arrows from
mountain tops working the next round of golf birds. You've lost. Go Home.
It's over. Resign, and leave this hobby to people who care about keeping
amateur radio in space.
-Dave, KG5CCI
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:45 PM Michelle Thompson <
mountain.michelle@?????.???> wrote:
> I'm not sure anyone is going to take you very seriously, since you have
> repeatedly and stridently yelped for my resignation, since the day I was
> elected, for:
>
> 1) Playing Pokemon GO (somehow that's a firing offense... "GO figure")
> 2) Having a pile of books fall over on my desk (somehow I can't serve as a
> Director because I tweeted about having too many books)
> 3) Pointing out (privately) that sexist language doesn't belong in AMSAT
> management.
> 4) Pointing out (privately) that official social media accounts weren't
> doing what they promised to do.
> 5) Being at Comic-Con.
> 6) Promoting microwave broadband digital birds.
> 7) Having the nerve to found a 501(c)(3) dedicated to open source R&D for
> amateur radio and beyond.
> 8) Breathing.
>
> Please notice that I have yet to squall for anyone's resignation. I am
> ready and willing to work with anyone. I am ready to defend Clayton despite
> the authorship of this very regrettable admission of AMSAT failing to
> follow its own bylaws or DC corporate code. I actually liked working with
> him. He has permission to share any private messages I've sent him.
>
> I do appreciate the opportunity you have given me to share my report.
>
>
>
https://w5nyv.blogspot.com/2020/07/report-to-members-8-amsat-na-board-of.html
>
> This is the 8th in a series. I ran on transparency, trust, and technology.
>
> I'm an activist.
>
> If you elect an activist, expect activism. Some of what I found is
> obviously uncomfortable. The incumbents have reacted in entirely
> predictable ways. If the members want comfortable waste firmly ensconced in
> the past, then go ahead, re-elect the incumbents.
>
> I've raised real money for AMSAT R&D this year. It adds up to over $65k.
> Open Research Institute is an AMSAT Member Society. That means that it's
> recognized as an asset to AMSAT, works for AMSAT's interests, and attacking
> it is just plain stupid.
>
> I've confronted the board about unauthorized spending. I brought receipts.
>
> Patrick deserves the majority of the credit for stopping this obscenely
> wasteful practice of hiring lawyers on the sly.
>
> Fiducial responsibility is really all we as Directors are required to do.
> This is basic oversight of an organization. Unlike other things we do, it's
> not rocket science.
>
> -Michelle W5NYV
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:26 PM David Swanson via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> Director Thompson and Director Stoddard should immediately resign their
>> positions. Their actions are unbecoming of this organization, the
>> community, and a stain on ham radio.
>>
>> Dave, KG5CCI.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 6:26 PM Kevin via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Or is it a couple newbies to the board didn't get what they wanted when
>> > they wanted it and then decided to make a big fuss over it? and AMSAT
>> > decided maybe some legal guidance was in order? which IMHO probably
>> > wasn't a bad idea.
>> >
>> > I have confidence in the board and that with time this will all be
>> > worked out.
>> >
>> > Kevin WA7FWF #19623
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/10/2020 3:36 PM, Brad Smith via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> > > The email, "AMSAT Leadership Explains 2018-2020 Legal Expenses,"
>> which I
>> > assume all members received, made me think of the words of an oldie song
>> > that has the words, "I wish that i could be the president, so I could
>> show
>> > you how your money's spent." In this case, it appears that the money was
>> > spent to, at the advice of hired layers, keep two duly elected directors
>> > from assuming their rightful role. So, the legal answer must have been
>> to
>> > segregate them, into a second class status. Is this really legal, and in
>> > keeping with the bylaws of AMSAT? Why would the board do this? What are
>> > they hiding and from whom? I may be just a dumb, retired, Midwestern
>> > engineer, but even I can see thru this one. Talk about smoke and
>> mirrors.
>> > > I am going to assume that it was legal for the board to select a new
>> > president, and that the membership has nothing to do with that. This
>> whole
>> > situation has the appearance of a game where people have been trying to
>> > find a way to legally block other people from assuming their duties.
>> Sounds
>> > like Washington politics to me.
>> > > Some members have resigned their membership over this. I am here to
>> say
>> > that I do not condone this form of reaction. In my humble opinion, (and
>> > some of you know how humble I am) if you are on the birds, you should
>> > financially support the organization. Exception would be if one couldn't
>> > afford it, of course.
>> > > Respectfully,Brad KC9UQR
>> > >
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:19:19 -0600
From: "H. Stephen Nipper" <stephennipper@?????.???>
To: Clint Bradford <clintbradford@???.???>
Cc: AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Leadership Explanation ...
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We all need to remember that this is a hobby, and hobbies are there to
enjoy and have fun. Lets get over this crap and back to having fun.
I have been off the air for 8 months now, I really didn't like coming down
off my tower today to see all of the emails about this.
Stephen Nipper
N7DJX
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 6:30 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> For the good of AMSAT, to ensure our enjoyment of future amateur
> satellites, and for the general good of amateur radio:
>
> Thompson and Stoddard need to resign. Now.
>
> Clint Bradford
>
> _______________________________________________
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--
Stephen Nipper
Boise, Idaho
N7DJX
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