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Today's Topics:

   1. How to tame gr-satellites? (Hans BX2ABT)
   2. Re: How to tame gr-satellites? (Paul Stoetzer)
   3. Re: How to tame gr-satellites? (Doug Phelps)
   4. Re: How to tame gr-satellites? (Hans BX2ABT)
   5. Re: How to tame gr-satellites? (Alex Free - N7AGF)
   6. Re: How to tame gr-satellites? (Paul Stoetzer)
   7. Re: How to tame gr-satellites? (Alex Free - N7AGF)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:34:54 +0800
From: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: [amsat-bb] How to tame gr-satellites?
Message-ID: <d9283b4b-ef4f-b49f-7634-ef000466897e@???.?????.???>
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I was going to write a rant about gr-satellites, but then again that
would only help me release some of my chagrin and not help met get
going, so instead the question in the general interes of this list......

"How can mere mortals start to get going with gr-satellites?"

Been a Linux end-user for 20 years now, so I know my way around,
although I can not claim to be an expert. Usually with a quick search
online I can find enough info to get going or solve a problem. Even the
odd alteration in some source code is not something I am strange to,
although a programmer I am not. And then there is GNU Radio.......which
almost seems like it comes from another planet. Installing it, no
problem with the package manager. I even had success with PyBOMBS, until
that wasn't updated anymore. But then, once you get past the basics
installation trouble start with OOT modules, dependencies that can't be
met, and flow graphs that won't compile. My biggest gripe is that
documentation is very minimalist and often tells you how, not why, which
doesn't help you in understanding the troubles that you ran into.
gr-satellites is a good example of that, because Daniel writes these
bare bones flow graphs and then what? There is no view-able output, not
many hints on what blocks do, or how to implement them if they are missing.

In short, it seems you first need a four year university course in GNU
Radio and Python before you can start using it. That seems silly and a
waste of resources, because even I can see the potential of GNU
Radio/gr-satellites, especially with this new Taurus-1 sat with Codec-2
transponder around.

So if you please, share your experience in how beginners can set up and
use gr-satellites. What are necessary steps? What are pitfalls to avoid?
And please also the "why", not only the "what". I guess that apart from
me others will also be grateful for this.

On my shack computer I run the latest Kubuntu version with GNU Radio
3.7.13.4 and I guess that is a reasonable starting point because of the
popularity of Ubuntu and because it is Debian based. Although since a
lot of GNU Radio needs to be compiled by hand is probably won't matter
that much.

Reading the above it still does sound a bit like a rant, but it was not
written as such, believe me. Cheers for the replies and 73 de Hans




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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:52:10 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
Cc: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] How to tame gr-satellites?
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

It took me about 6 hours of work to get gr-satellites going on my Fedora
handheld computer I used for portable LO-90 operations (and hope to use for
portable Taurus-1 ops soon as well). I have some Linux familiarity, but,
yes you do end up running into wrong versions of dependencies and missing
dependencies and having to look up a lot of things to get things working.

Until recently, I would have suggested that Arch or Manjaro make it really
easy to run gr-satellites because it's a very simple process to build it
from the Arch User Repository. I was able to get it running on an Arch
laptop in about 20 minutes. Unfortunately, gr-satellites does not work with
GNU Radio 3.8 yet and Arch and Manjaro both ship GNU Radio 3.8 by default,
so I can't really suggest that as an "easy solution" any more.

gr-satellites is a great tool and Dani deserves a lot of credit for the
work he has done to support so many different satellites. What would be
great is for someone to develop a method to make it simple to package for
various distributions and a good front-end for using it. That would not be
an easy task, but it would go a long way towards making it friendly for
less experienced Linux users.

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

> I was going to write a rant about gr-satellites, but then again that
> would only help me release some of my chagrin and not help met get
> going, so instead the question in the general interes of this list......
>
> "How can mere mortals start to get going with gr-satellites?"
>
> Been a Linux end-user for 20 years now, so I know my way around,
> although I can not claim to be an expert. Usually with a quick search
> online I can find enough info to get going or solve a problem. Even the
> odd alteration in some source code is not something I am strange to,
> although a programmer I am not. And then there is GNU Radio.......which
> almost seems like it comes from another planet. Installing it, no
> problem with the package manager. I even had success with PyBOMBS, until
> that wasn't updated anymore. But then, once you get past the basics
> installation trouble start with OOT modules, dependencies that can't be
> met, and flow graphs that won't compile. My biggest gripe is that
> documentation is very minimalist and often tells you how, not why, which
> doesn't help you in understanding the troubles that you ran into.
> gr-satellites is a good example of that, because Daniel writes these
> bare bones flow graphs and then what? There is no view-able output, not
> many hints on what blocks do, or how to implement them if they are missing.
>
> In short, it seems you first need a four year university course in GNU
> Radio and Python before you can start using it. That seems silly and a
> waste of resources, because even I can see the potential of GNU
> Radio/gr-satellites, especially with this new Taurus-1 sat with Codec-2
> transponder around.
>
> So if you please, share your experience in how beginners can set up and
> use gr-satellites. What are necessary steps? What are pitfalls to avoid?
> And please also the "why", not only the "what". I guess that apart from
> me others will also be grateful for this.
>
> On my shack computer I run the latest Kubuntu version with GNU Radio
> 3.7.13.4 and I guess that is a reasonable starting point because of the
> popularity of Ubuntu and because it is Debian based. Although since a
> lot of GNU Radio needs to be compiled by hand is probably won't matter
> that much.
>
> Reading the above it still does sound a bit like a rant, but it was not
> written as such, believe me. Cheers for the replies and 73 de Hans
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:01:39 +0000
From: Doug Phelps <DougPhelps@??????????.???>
To: n8hm@????.???? hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???
Cc: amsat-bb@?????.???
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] How to tame gr-satellites?
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Suggestion. how about if somebody who knows what they're doing set it up on
a raspberry pi and then others can just copy the SD card and be off.

Sent from ProtonMail mobile

-------- Original Message --------
On Sep 16, 2019, 9:52 AM, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB wrote:

> It took me about 6 hours of work to get gr-satellites going on my Fedora
> handheld computer I used for portable LO-90 operations (and hope to use for
> portable Taurus-1 ops soon as well). I have some Linux familiarity, but,
> yes you do end up running into wrong versions of dependencies and missing
> dependencies and having to look up a lot of things to get things working.
>
> Until recently, I would have suggested that Arch or Manjaro make it really
> easy to run gr-satellites because it's a very simple process to build it
> from the Arch User Repository. I was able to get it running on an Arch
> laptop in about 20 minutes. Unfortunately, gr-satellites does not work with
> GNU Radio 3.8 yet and Arch and Manjaro both ship GNU Radio 3.8 by default,
> so I can't really suggest that as an "easy solution" any more.
>
> gr-satellites is a great tool and Dani deserves a lot of credit for the
> work he has done to support so many different satellites. What would be
> great is for someone to develop a method to make it simple to package for
> various distributions and a good front-end for using it. That would not be
> an easy task, but it would go a long way towards making it friendly for
> less experienced Linux users.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> I was going to write a rant about gr-satellites, but then again that
>> would only help me release some of my chagrin and not help met get
>> going, so instead the question in the general interes of this list......
>>
>> "How can mere mortals start to get going with gr-satellites?"
>>
>> Been a Linux end-user for 20 years now, so I know my way around,
>> although I can not claim to be an expert. Usually with a quick search
>> online I can find enough info to get going or solve a problem. Even the
>> odd alteration in some source code is not something I am strange to,
>> although a programmer I am not. And then there is GNU Radio.......which
>> almost seems like it comes from another planet. Installing it, no
>> problem with the package manager. I even had success with PyBOMBS, until
>> that wasn't updated anymore. But then, once you get past the basics
>> installation trouble start with OOT modules, dependencies that can't be
>> met, and flow graphs that won't compile. My biggest gripe is that
>> documentation is very minimalist and often tells you how, not why, which
>> doesn't help you in understanding the troubles that you ran into.
>> gr-satellites is a good example of that, because Daniel writes these
>> bare bones flow graphs and then what? There is no view-able output, not
>> many hints on what blocks do, or how to implement them if they are missing.
>>
>> In short, it seems you first need a four year university course in GNU
>> Radio and Python before you can start using it. That seems silly and a
>> waste of resources, because even I can see the potential of GNU
>> Radio/gr-satellites, especially with this new Taurus-1 sat with Codec-2
>> transponder around.
>>
>> So if you please, share your experience in how beginners can set up and
>> use gr-satellites. What are necessary steps? What are pitfalls to avoid?
>> And please also the "why", not only the "what". I guess that apart from
>> me others will also be grateful for this.
>>
>> On my shack computer I run the latest Kubuntu version with GNU Radio
>> 3.7.13.4 and I guess that is a reasonable starting point because of the
>> popularity of Ubuntu and because it is Debian based. Although since a
>> lot of GNU Radio needs to be compiled by hand is probably won't matter
>> that much.
>>
>> Reading the above it still does sound a bit like a rant, but it was not
>> written as such, believe me. Cheers for the replies and 73 de Hans
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
>> expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:29:08 +0800
From: Hans BX2ABT <hans.bx2abt@???.?????.???>
To: AMSAT <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] How to tame gr-satellites?
Message-ID: <44263b41-d377-0016-4698-6082a7630bfd@???.?????.???>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

No no no no no no no no no, that is exactly not what I meant and want at
all. There should be more "somebodies" who know and understand this, not
one or two who solve problems for the majority of mere mortals.
Processing RF with computers is already a big thing and it's becoming
even bigger. Nobody will understand every aspect of it, but everybody
should at least understand enough to solve or mitigate problems. Amateur
radio is as much about enjoying communication as it is about enriching
your knowledge. The more knowledge there is the easier it becomes to
solve problems. Hope you can appreciate my point of view. Cheers, Hans.



On 09/16/2019 11:01 PM, Doug Phelps wrote:
> Suggestion. how about if somebody who knows what they're doing set it
> up on a raspberry pi and then others can just copy the SD card and be off.
>
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Sep 16, 2019, 9:52 AM, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>
>     It took me about 6 hours of work to get gr-satellites going on my
>     Fedora
>     handheld computer I used for portable LO-90 operations (and hope
>     to use for
>     portable Taurus-1 ops soon as well). I have some Linux
>     familiarity, but,
>     yes you do end up running into wrong versions of dependencies and
>     missing
>     dependencies and having to look up a lot of things to get things
>     working.
>
>     Until recently, I would have suggested that Arch or Manjaro make
>     it really
>     easy to run gr-satellites because it's a very simple process to
>     build it
>     from the Arch User Repository. I was able to get it running on an Arch
>     laptop in about 20 minutes. Unfortunately, gr-satellites does not
>     work with
>     GNU Radio 3.8 yet and Arch and Manjaro both ship GNU Radio 3.8 by
>     default,
>     so I can't really suggest that as an "easy solution" any more.
>
>     gr-satellites is a great tool and Dani deserves a lot of credit
>     for the
>     work he has done to support so many different satellites. What
>     would be
>     great is for someone to develop a method to make it simple to
>     package for
>     various distributions and a good front-end for using it. That
>     would not be
>     an easy task, but it would go a long way towards making it
>     friendly for
>     less experienced Linux users.
>
>     73,
>
>     Paul, N8HM
>
>     On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB <
>     amsat-bb@?????.??? <mailto:amsat-bb@?????.???>> wrote:
>
>     > I was going to write a rant about gr-satellites, but then again that
>     > would only help me release some of my chagrin and not help met get
>     > going, so instead the question in the general interes of this
>     list......
>     >
>     > "How can mere mortals start to get going with gr-satellites?"
>     >
>     > Been a Linux end-user for 20 years now, so I know my way around,
>     > although I can not claim to be an expert. Usually with a quick
>     search
>     > online I can find enough info to get going or solve a problem.
>     Even the
>     > odd alteration in some source code is not something I am strange to,
>     > although a programmer I am not. And then there is GNU
>     Radio.......which
>     > almost seems like it comes from another planet. Installing it, no
>     > problem with the package manager. I even had success with
>     PyBOMBS, until
>     > that wasn't updated anymore. But then, once you get past the basics
>     > installation trouble start with OOT modules, dependencies that
>     can't be
>     > met, and flow graphs that won't compile. My biggest gripe is that
>     > documentation is very minimalist and often tells you how, not
>     why, which
>     > doesn't help you in understanding the troubles that you ran into.
>     > gr-satellites is a good example of that, because Daniel writes these
>     > bare bones flow graphs and then what? There is no view-able
>     output, not
>     > many hints on what blocks do, or how to implement them if they
>     are missing.
>     >
>     > In short, it seems you first need a four year university course
>     in GNU
>     > Radio and Python before you can start using it. That seems silly
>     and a
>     > waste of resources, because even I can see the potential of GNU
>     > Radio/gr-satellites, especially with this new Taurus-1 sat with
>     Codec-2
>     > transponder around.
>     >
>     > So if you please, share your experience in how beginners can set
>     up and
>     > use gr-satellites. What are necessary steps? What are pitfalls
>     to avoid?
>     > And please also the "why", not only the "what". I guess that
>     apart from
>     > me others will also be grateful for this.
>     >
>     > On my shack computer I run the latest Kubuntu version with GNU Radio
>     > 3.7.13.4 <http://3.7.13.4> and I guess that is a reasonable
>     starting point because of the
>     > popularity of Ubuntu and because it is Debian based. Although
>     since a
>     > lot of GNU Radio needs to be compiled by hand is probably won't
>     matter
>     > that much.
>     >
>     > Reading the above it still does sound a bit like a rant, but it
>     was not
>     > written as such, believe me. Cheers for the replies and 73 de Hans
>     >
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???>.
>     AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>     > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring
>     membership. Opinions
>     > expressed
>     > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>     views of
>     > AMSAT-NA.
>     > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur
>     satellite program!
>     > Subscription settings:
>     https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>     >
>     _______________________________________________
>     Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.??? <mailto:AMSAT-BB@?????.???>. AMSAT-NA
>     makes this open forum available
>     to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>     Opinions expressed
>     are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>     views of AMSAT-NA.
>     Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>     program!
>     Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:03:50 -0700
From: Alex Free - N7AGF <alex@?????.???>
To: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] How to tame gr-satellites?
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

It sounds like the perfect application to containerize.  Forking the
available gnuradio-3.8 docker to include gr-satellites should be doable.

https://gitlab.com/theseus-cores/theseus-docker/tree/master/gnuradio-3.8

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:12 AM Doug Phelps via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@?????.???>
wrote:

> Suggestion. how about if somebody who knows what they're doing set it up
> on a raspberry pi and then others can just copy the SD card and be off.
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Sep 16, 2019, 9:52 AM, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>
> > It took me about 6 hours of work to get gr-satellites going on my Fedora
> > handheld computer I used for portable LO-90 operations (and hope to use
> for
> > portable Taurus-1 ops soon as well). I have some Linux familiarity, but,
> > yes you do end up running into wrong versions of dependencies and missing
> > dependencies and having to look up a lot of things to get things working.
> >
> > Until recently, I would have suggested that Arch or Manjaro make it
> really
> > easy to run gr-satellites because it's a very simple process to build it
> > from the Arch User Repository. I was able to get it running on an Arch
> > laptop in about 20 minutes. Unfortunately, gr-satellites does not work
> with
> > GNU Radio 3.8 yet and Arch and Manjaro both ship GNU Radio 3.8 by
> default,
> > so I can't really suggest that as an "easy solution" any more.
> >
> > gr-satellites is a great tool and Dani deserves a lot of credit for the
> > work he has done to support so many different satellites. What would be
> > great is for someone to develop a method to make it simple to package for
> > various distributions and a good front-end for using it. That would not
> be
> > an easy task, but it would go a long way towards making it friendly for
> > less experienced Linux users.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Paul, N8HM
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB <
> > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> >
> >> I was going to write a rant about gr-satellites, but then again that
> >> would only help me release some of my chagrin and not help met get
> >> going, so instead the question in the general interes of this list......
> >>
> >> "How can mere mortals start to get going with gr-satellites?"
> >>
> >> Been a Linux end-user for 20 years now, so I know my way around,
> >> although I can not claim to be an expert. Usually with a quick search
> >> online I can find enough info to get going or solve a problem. Even the
> >> odd alteration in some source code is not something I am strange to,
> >> although a programmer I am not. And then there is GNU Radio.......which
> >> almost seems like it comes from another planet. Installing it, no
> >> problem with the package manager. I even had success with PyBOMBS, until
> >> that wasn't updated anymore. But then, once you get past the basics
> >> installation trouble start with OOT modules, dependencies that can't be
> >> met, and flow graphs that won't compile. My biggest gripe is that
> >> documentation is very minimalist and often tells you how, not why, which
> >> doesn't help you in understanding the troubles that you ran into.
> >> gr-satellites is a good example of that, because Daniel writes these
> >> bare bones flow graphs and then what? There is no view-able output, not
> >> many hints on what blocks do, or how to implement them if they are
> missing.
> >>
> >> In short, it seems you first need a four year university course in GNU
> >> Radio and Python before you can start using it. That seems silly and a
> >> waste of resources, because even I can see the potential of GNU
> >> Radio/gr-satellites, especially with this new Taurus-1 sat with Codec-2
> >> transponder around.
> >>
> >> So if you please, share your experience in how beginners can set up and
> >> use gr-satellites. What are necessary steps? What are pitfalls to avoid?
> >> And please also the "why", not only the "what". I guess that apart from
> >> me others will also be grateful for this.
> >>
> >> On my shack computer I run the latest Kubuntu version with GNU Radio
> >> 3.7.13.4 and I guess that is a reasonable starting point because of the
> >> popularity of Ubuntu and because it is Debian based. Although since a
> >> lot of GNU Radio needs to be compiled by hand is probably won't matter
> >> that much.
> >>
> >> Reading the above it still does sound a bit like a rant, but it was not
> >> written as such, believe me. Cheers for the replies and 73 de Hans
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions
> >> expressed
> >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> >> AMSAT-NA.
> >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> >> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
> Opinions expressed
> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
> program!
> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
> _______________________________________________
> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions
> expressed
> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
> AMSAT-NA.
> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>


------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 13:09:43 -0400
From: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
To: Alex Free - N7AGF <alex@?????.???>
Cc: Amsat <amsat-bb@?????.???>
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] How to tame gr-satellites?
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That is a good interim step, but note that gr-satellites does not currently
operate with GNU Radio 3.8.

73,

Paul, N8HM


On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:05 PM Alex Free - N7AGF via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:

> It sounds like the perfect application to containerize.  Forking the
> available gnuradio-3.8 docker to include gr-satellites should be doable.
>
> https://gitlab.com/theseus-cores/theseus-docker/tree/master/gnuradio-3.8
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:12 AM Doug Phelps via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???>
> wrote:
>
> > Suggestion. how about if somebody who knows what they're doing set it up
> > on a raspberry pi and then others can just copy the SD card and be off.
> >
> > Sent from ProtonMail mobile
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > On Sep 16, 2019, 9:52 AM, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB wrote:
> >
> > > It took me about 6 hours of work to get gr-satellites going on my
> Fedora
> > > handheld computer I used for portable LO-90 operations (and hope to use
> > for
> > > portable Taurus-1 ops soon as well). I have some Linux familiarity,
> but,
> > > yes you do end up running into wrong versions of dependencies and
> missing
> > > dependencies and having to look up a lot of things to get things
> working.
> > >
> > > Until recently, I would have suggested that Arch or Manjaro make it
> > really
> > > easy to run gr-satellites because it's a very simple process to build
> it
> > > from the Arch User Repository. I was able to get it running on an Arch
> > > laptop in about 20 minutes. Unfortunately, gr-satellites does not work
> > with
> > > GNU Radio 3.8 yet and Arch and Manjaro both ship GNU Radio 3.8 by
> > default,
> > > so I can't really suggest that as an "easy solution" any more.
> > >
> > > gr-satellites is a great tool and Dani deserves a lot of credit for the
> > > work he has done to support so many different satellites. What would be
> > > great is for someone to develop a method to make it simple to package
> for
> > > various distributions and a good front-end for using it. That would not
> > be
> > > an easy task, but it would go a long way towards making it friendly for
> > > less experienced Linux users.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Paul, N8HM
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB <
> > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I was going to write a rant about gr-satellites, but then again that
> > >> would only help me release some of my chagrin and not help met get
> > >> going, so instead the question in the general interes of this
> list......
> > >>
> > >> "How can mere mortals start to get going with gr-satellites?"
> > >>
> > >> Been a Linux end-user for 20 years now, so I know my way around,
> > >> although I can not claim to be an expert. Usually with a quick search
> > >> online I can find enough info to get going or solve a problem. Even
> the
> > >> odd alteration in some source code is not something I am strange to,
> > >> although a programmer I am not. And then there is GNU
> Radio.......which
> > >> almost seems like it comes from another planet. Installing it, no
> > >> problem with the package manager. I even had success with PyBOMBS,
> until
> > >> that wasn't updated anymore. But then, once you get past the basics
> > >> installation trouble start with OOT modules, dependencies that can't
> be
> > >> met, and flow graphs that won't compile. My biggest gripe is that
> > >> documentation is very minimalist and often tells you how, not why,
> which
> > >> doesn't help you in understanding the troubles that you ran into.
> > >> gr-satellites is a good example of that, because Daniel writes these
> > >> bare bones flow graphs and then what? There is no view-able output,
> not
> > >> many hints on what blocks do, or how to implement them if they are
> > missing.
> > >>
> > >> In short, it seems you first need a four year university course in GNU
> > >> Radio and Python before you can start using it. That seems silly and a
> > >> waste of resources, because even I can see the potential of GNU
> > >> Radio/gr-satellites, especially with this new Taurus-1 sat with
> Codec-2
> > >> transponder around.
> > >>
> > >> So if you please, share your experience in how beginners can set up
> and
> > >> use gr-satellites. What are necessary steps? What are pitfalls to
> avoid?
> > >> And please also the "why", not only the "what". I guess that apart
> from
> > >> me others will also be grateful for this.
> > >>
> > >> On my shack computer I run the latest Kubuntu version with GNU Radio
> > >> 3.7.13.4 and I guess that is a reasonable starting point because of
> the
> > >> popularity of Ubuntu and because it is Debian based. Although since a
> > >> lot of GNU Radio needs to be compiled by hand is probably won't matter
> > >> that much.
> > >>
> > >> Reading the above it still does sound a bit like a rant, but it was
> not
> > >> written as such, believe me. Cheers for the replies and 73 de Hans
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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> > >> expressed
> > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
> of
> > >> AMSAT-NA.
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Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 10:24:57 -0700
From: Alex Free - N7AGF <alex@?????.???>
To: Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???>
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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] How to tame gr-satellites?
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Even better.  There appear to be several more "mature" docker gnuradio
3.7.x containers floating around from a couple years ago.  I'll get into it
when I find a spare moment.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:09 AM Paul Stoetzer <n8hm@????.???> wrote:

> That is a good interim step, but note that gr-satellites does not
> currently operate with GNU Radio 3.8.
>
> 73,
>
> Paul, N8HM
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:05 PM Alex Free - N7AGF via AMSAT-BB <
> amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>
>> It sounds like the perfect application to containerize.  Forking the
>> available gnuradio-3.8 docker to include gr-satellites should be doable.
>>
>> https://gitlab.com/theseus-cores/theseus-docker/tree/master/gnuradio-3.8
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:12 AM Doug Phelps via AMSAT-BB <
>> amsat-bb@?????.???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Suggestion. how about if somebody who knows what they're doing set it up
>> > on a raspberry pi and then others can just copy the SD card and be off.
>> >
>> > Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>> >
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > On Sep 16, 2019, 9:52 AM, Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB wrote:
>> >
>> > > It took me about 6 hours of work to get gr-satellites going on my
>> Fedora
>> > > handheld computer I used for portable LO-90 operations (and hope to
>> use
>> > for
>> > > portable Taurus-1 ops soon as well). I have some Linux familiarity,
>> but,
>> > > yes you do end up running into wrong versions of dependencies and
>> missing
>> > > dependencies and having to look up a lot of things to get things
>> working.
>> > >
>> > > Until recently, I would have suggested that Arch or Manjaro make it
>> > really
>> > > easy to run gr-satellites because it's a very simple process to build
>> it
>> > > from the Arch User Repository. I was able to get it running on an Arch
>> > > laptop in about 20 minutes. Unfortunately, gr-satellites does not work
>> > with
>> > > GNU Radio 3.8 yet and Arch and Manjaro both ship GNU Radio 3.8 by
>> > default,
>> > > so I can't really suggest that as an "easy solution" any more.
>> > >
>> > > gr-satellites is a great tool and Dani deserves a lot of credit for
>> the
>> > > work he has done to support so many different satellites. What would
>> be
>> > > great is for someone to develop a method to make it simple to package
>> for
>> > > various distributions and a good front-end for using it. That would
>> not
>> > be
>> > > an easy task, but it would go a long way towards making it friendly
>> for
>> > > less experienced Linux users.
>> > >
>> > > 73,
>> > >
>> > > Paul, N8HM
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:35 AM Hans BX2ABT via AMSAT-BB <
>> > > amsat-bb@?????.???> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I was going to write a rant about gr-satellites, but then again that
>> > >> would only help me release some of my chagrin and not help met get
>> > >> going, so instead the question in the general interes of this
>> list......
>> > >>
>> > >> "How can mere mortals start to get going with gr-satellites?"
>> > >>
>> > >> Been a Linux end-user for 20 years now, so I know my way around,
>> > >> although I can not claim to be an expert. Usually with a quick search
>> > >> online I can find enough info to get going or solve a problem. Even
>> the
>> > >> odd alteration in some source code is not something I am strange to,
>> > >> although a programmer I am not. And then there is GNU
>> Radio.......which
>> > >> almost seems like it comes from another planet. Installing it, no
>> > >> problem with the package manager. I even had success with PyBOMBS,
>> until
>> > >> that wasn't updated anymore. But then, once you get past the basics
>> > >> installation trouble start with OOT modules, dependencies that can't
>> be
>> > >> met, and flow graphs that won't compile. My biggest gripe is that
>> > >> documentation is very minimalist and often tells you how, not why,
>> which
>> > >> doesn't help you in understanding the troubles that you ran into.
>> > >> gr-satellites is a good example of that, because Daniel writes these
>> > >> bare bones flow graphs and then what? There is no view-able output,
>> not
>> > >> many hints on what blocks do, or how to implement them if they are
>> > missing.
>> > >>
>> > >> In short, it seems you first need a four year university course in
>> GNU
>> > >> Radio and Python before you can start using it. That seems silly and
>> a
>> > >> waste of resources, because even I can see the potential of GNU
>> > >> Radio/gr-satellites, especially with this new Taurus-1 sat with
>> Codec-2
>> > >> transponder around.
>> > >>
>> > >> So if you please, share your experience in how beginners can set up
>> and
>> > >> use gr-satellites. What are necessary steps? What are pitfalls to
>> avoid?
>> > >> And please also the "why", not only the "what". I guess that apart
>> from
>> > >> me others will also be grateful for this.
>> > >>
>> > >> On my shack computer I run the latest Kubuntu version with GNU Radio
>> > >> 3.7.13.4 and I guess that is a reasonable starting point because of
>> the
>> > >> popularity of Ubuntu and because it is Debian based. Although since a
>> > >> lot of GNU Radio needs to be compiled by hand is probably won't
>> matter
>> > >> that much.
>> > >>
>> > >> Reading the above it still does sound a bit like a rant, but it was
>> not
>> > >> written as such, believe me. Cheers for the replies and 73 de Hans
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
>> available
>> > >> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions
>> > >> expressed
>> > >> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
>> views of
>> > >> AMSAT-NA.
>> > >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > >> Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > >>
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> > Opinions expressed
>> > > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
>> of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> > program!
>> > > Subscription settings:
>> https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions
>> > expressed
>> > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> > AMSAT-NA.
>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
>> program!
>> > Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@?????.???. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available
>> to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
>> Opinions expressed
>> are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
>> AMSAT-NA.
>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program!
>> Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
>>
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